Wonder where they will get the crew? Wouldn’t be surprised if these are built by the Us seeing as they have to knowledge and recent history. Three are in service as of 2019. i smell a con here. I was working on the Puller not long ago. Find great deals on eBay for littoral combat ship. we cant even man our current ships let alone 2 new ones. DFID has £15 billion that is squandered every year. It’s been stated many times it has it’s own budget separate from the TLBs of the 3 frontline commands and DES. UKSF at the tip of that, and always in demand from the US and used by HMG. With the loss of Ocean this is a great idea steel is cheap, thus get the largest damnvessel you can afford and cram it with helicopters. should score points with some voters, i’d sooner see another destroyer these are a waste of time. The littoral combat ship USS Minneapolis-St. Paul, here at its June 14, 2020, launch, completed its acceptance trials, the U.S. Navy said on Monday. Call them Warships, Build them Here In the UK, preferably in England before we actually lose all Capability. My money would be on a conversion of another ship. despite recent comments saying they are safe. I want to capitalise on that. The littoral strike ships could support the UK’s future commando force. The picture released by 1SL appears to be closely based upon the US MV Ocean which is a conversion from a fast RoRo. The US version USNS Lewis B. Puller has a displacment Approx. The DS makes the Amphibs force sound great talking of all 3 Bay and the 2 LPDs joining together. Survivability isn’t likely to be a high priority. Will keep reserves busy. Online vessel trackers showed Chouest arriving in Port Canaveral around 2:15 p.m. Detroit is a mono-hulled Freedom variant of the littoral combat ship, designed by Lockheed Martin and built at Marinette Marine in Wisconsin. Why would a 3 billion Fleet carrier be needed to launch a couple of Chinooks inland on a mission? One would be based East of Suez in the Indo-Pacific and one based West of Suez in the Mediterranean, Atlantic and Baltic. But, if not foreign aid then where? I would prefer them built in a UK yard, but not holding my breath. A “littoral” ship is one that is intended mainly to operate close to the shore rather than in the open sea. As for RFA and OSA. so are these going to be replacing the gap left by HMS Ocean,quite a shock that we are getting 2 I just hope this does not affect the number of frigates,we all know they like to penny pinch so where has the money come from or what is being planned to scrap something else to pay for them?? God it is ugly! This will be one of the largest and best such forces anywhere in the world. 2) crew? About 3/4 of CHF’s Merlin aren’t currently being upgraded or in depth maintenance. Doubt it. The LSS certainly seems like a nice to have, but imo returning mass to the fleet and protecting existing capability is more important than shiny new toys. A closer look at the Littoral Strike Ship concept In February 2019, the then Defence Minister, Gavin Williamson, announced the plan to rapidly procure vessels around which two ‘Littoral Strike Groups’ would be formed. The exact range is vague. A far more capable version of SD Victoria, which has just the one mission bay for boats and no aviation facilities. Shop with confidence. Is the nest announcement a new Merlin order? Agree. The ‘Special Forces’ spin is always a good way of securing some extra funding, but I do wonder if these ships would come at a cost. So possibly converted oil tankers with reasonably significant aviation facilities and due to size I assume a good amount of internal space? The flight deck is big (not Puller sized) with a hanger . The UK is set to acquire two Littoral Strike Ships with the ability to launch troops and their equipment via helicopters and boats. The DS was quoted as suggesting that converted ferries could be used as troop ships. I was under the assumption that T31 was being built as a class of 5+, with any additional funding found being used to build extra hulls. Sounds like good news. These enable SF to operate off terrorist shores, example Somalia, enabling our Bays, QEC and others to do other jobs. And B.A.E.S. If all that happens then one heck of a lot better plan that… Read more ». So the question is, where’s the money coming from? Australian Austal Ships Builder's trials are the first opportunity for the shipbuilder to operate the ship underway, and provide an opportunity to test and correct issues before acceptance trials. The U.S. Navy will christen its newest Freedom-class littoral combat ship on June 15. But also, would these vessels be RN or RFA? 6 short term frigates bought for very little outlay, might be worth considering? Agree that there should be a competitive tender between UK yards as per the type 31. Maybe foreign aid budget. But that doesnât mean they canât, or wonât, fight. I agree, ignore the floating base stuff, the first picture makes it look like a Point class conversion. Where does the money come from? if we can suddenly afford these, why was ocean not replaced like for like? Surely two Mistral class ships built under license would be ideal? Our LPD with well dock carry LCU LCVP and numbers of RM, as well as considerable C3 facilities. It must be said though, that concept that has just been edited in looks a hell of a lot like a modified Point Class vessel. Joking aside, this is an interesting development. My only question is where do helicopter airframes come from to load these out? I don’t seem to remember them being part of the 168 billion. Can’t find anything on any Official site about this. Overlord Class: HMS Sword, HMS Gold, with the option of a third, HMS Juno. It all sounds a bit at odds with the black Hole in defence funding. Yes in a way. They would support our Future Commando Force. It’s an interesting idea but presents a few questions. Forward based assault troops and Chinooks to be the norm? One of these will follow the carrier. This sounds like a good idea and increases the capability of the Royal Navy. DIO, etc. You can flag a comment by clicking its flag icon. It will be noted that the terms used in this release vary from Combat Ship to Assault Ship. Okay so who are you…and what have you done with the real Secretary of State? pronouncekiwi. They seem a good answer to a different question. Save the Royal Navy is also good for RN articles. We will need this kind of reach, and as I’ve always said, Global Britain means having the equipment to back up international trade with meaningful military assets. Priceless! It’s not often that we get the announcement of 2 pretty sizeable new vessels out of the blue. Hope they are purpose built as the US ships look ugly. Have a fact about Littoral-combat ship ? Would one of these ships basically be a ‘replacement’ for Argus? But why sell ocean then? A ‘couple of hundred’ down from 500+ mearly 10 years ago. They had been operating Little Birds, Pave Hawks and drones from it . But we have apache, chinooks, pumas and wildcats and the commando Merlins and carrier Merlins a couple hundred airframes atleast. The LCS is a fast, highly manoeuvrable, networked surface combat ship, which is a specialised variant of the family of US future surface combat ships known as DD(X). The Freedom-variant Littoral Combat Ship is a resilient, flexible warship, designed from the keel up to affordably take on new capabilities including advanced sensors, missiles and cutting-edge cyber systems. The littoral strike ships could partially reverse years of cuts to the U.K. amphibious fleet. The sea-base ships can do more than just land and support ground troops. when i google and see how much money and where it goes to i get angrier and angrier! This is a conversion of a sister class to the Points. The thing these days is small, well trained professional forces, being able to power project as required, with the logistics, bases, and intelligence capabilities to back them up. The third and fourth Montford Points feature even longer flight decks plus other enhancements. The concept behind the littoral combat ship, as described by former Secretary of the Navy Gordon R. England, is to "create a small, fast, maneuverable and relatively inexpensive member of the DD(X) family of ships." Hopefully new build as if these are littoral you’d expect survivability not offered from a commercial conversion. No idea. DES. Gavin Williamson, the U.K. defense secretary at the time, in February 2019 announced the planned purchase of two littoral strike ships. We sold Ocean to Brazil for a fair market price as a hot swap as it had been in service for twenty years and the QE class is coming on line. or her proposed sister ship built? And, if we ever need them to, our two Littoral Strike Ships, our two aircraft carriers, our two amphibious assault ships Albion and Bulwark, and our three Bay Class landing ships can come together in one amphibious task force. I am not opposed to ‘civilian ships’ being re-purposed. They’ve said they are scouting for two cargo or passenger liners that are suitable for conversion. David Axe serves as Defense Editor of the National Interest. The Points have impressive endurance. You beat me to it. I suspect that is where they are coming from. Deploying the carrier beomes the main ‘overseas’ activity (in peace) for the RN and the RAF. The Royal Navy in August 2019 released concept art confirming the basic layout of the vessels. should be encouraged to build the new frigate factory on the Clyde with the steady stream of work (16 Type 26, 8 x anti air and 8 x anti sub). We are actually buying something? If purpose built, lets hope they will be classed as warships and built in the UK. An increase in ship numbers, a new class of ship???!! David let it go. Saying that I am concerned about non-state actors using AShM…….. The U.S. Navy has begun acquiring similar vessels. Gav’ you’re meant to be cutting the RN down to only one ship because that’s clearly all we need according to HMG. Freedom-Class Littoral Combat Ships May Have Serious Gearbox Defect. Floating SF bases basically. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/235377. The $500-million Montford Points look like someone took a nearly 900-foot-long tanker and cut out half the upper hull. I’m not sure. Looking at the artist’s impression from the RN above they look like a modified Tide design. Where… Read more ». Share Article. This Is so very Vague, Are these ships New Builds, Conversions or Pipedreams ? Despite their fearsome-sounding name, the littoral strike ships in fact just merchant vessels featuring several key modifications allowing them to support landing craft and vertical-launching aircraft. hang on, we’re getting two of these yet we couldn’t replace ocean?? And re reading my post, maybe the Bays WILL be released from their roles, by these assets. The Point class look good but are now aging, some well worn, and in need of replacement for strategic / heavy lift. Or converted waves, if they are surplus? The U.S. Navy commissioned the littoral combat ship (LCS) USS Billings (LCS 15) during a ceremony in Key West, Florida, on August 3. So instead of leasing them it looks like an outright buy and convert job. Accordingly the comment section is not on going like here. in the gib squadron. as long as they’re exocet proof. So it would seem that the 1 billion pounds granted to the MOD earlier will go on this. I guess so? It would be interesting to know whether these will be purpose built and if so where, or whether they will be converted. Itâs worth noting that the Royal Navy during the 1982 Falklands War outfitted cargo ships with flight decks to carry Harrier jump jets. The vessel has a sister ship, the USNS Hershel “Woody” Williams, there are another three of this ship type planned by the US. “Initially the Navy aimed for each ship … Would only take £500 million from that budget to build these 2 forward base vessels. Once Hms ocean left we lost the mass commando helicopter lift. Anything smaller for helicopters, drones and UKSF plus crew and storage might be pointless Defensive armaments…, Its going to be interesting to see what designs etc come out. Exemption from mobilisation could hit deployment of long term role3 MFTs if we overused a hospital ship. In terms of amphibious operations, it is the range in land the marines can be directly supported from the sea rather than from a forward base onshore. foreign aid last year was 13.2 billion, that’s a good bunch of t31’s (which i’m beginning to think won’t happen). The idea the Uk purchase anything other than unarmed coastal patrol cutters will infuriate him ???. May 23, 2019 US Navy Eyes More Combat Upgrades for Littoral Combat Ships By Steven Stashwick. You couldn’t get access to the SF areas which was understandable. The missile-shot signals an important, if greatly delayed, expansion of the LCS’s weapons capability. I did a bit of work on that one as well. No this was earlier, some time last year when the amphibious capability was rumoured to be on the chopping block. Rather than sheer numbers, which indeed remains important, and which have as we know reduced far to much. I envisage these to be much more basic. A nice capability that we needed for the commando helicopter force. A big tanker has a crew of 30 odd does it not? We will need lots of hulls for helicopter, UAVs, and small boat motherships; we don’t need full on warships for that job. The ship was scheduled to arrive this afternoon, Hockycko said. haha, So are we looking at something similar in size to HMS OCEAN or a little bigger? ! CAN WE HAVE LESS ACRONYMS ON HERE? I just realised there’s that s-word again…….. George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval defence technology and cyber security matters. Mind you still needs a lot more bodies to man. This will be one of the largest and best such forces anywhere in the world.”, Here’s how the Littoral Strike Ships could look, image via the Royal Navy. Is anyone else on any other Site that I can have a look at ??? Still think a pair of hospital ships would do wonders for soft power and would free up Bays and converted ships like Argus from having to be on hurricane or humanitarian relief watch for large portions of the year. As floating bases forward deployed and I guess not in use for much of the time, and resident at Diego Garcia, Gib, or wherever, what permanent crew would they need? I thought it was a tight fit, appledore was fine for patrol ect boats though. Looking at the RN supplied picture that is a modified Point Class Ro/Ro. We couldn’t run Largs Bay and presently struggle with manning the remainder of the RFA. That Tit Grayling and his Ferry contract. They can embark and launch aircraft, but lack the repair and support facilities for intensive flight operations. Key point:Â London believes that two of these cheaper ships will be useful but it is unclear how much they will be. i’d fear for one of the albions. Order 4 of these vessels and fund the crew and helicopters and boats and all operational costs from DFID and label them disaster relief vessels. This first appeared in August 2019. Feel free to sign and share this petition, we’re getting there slowly. Are they smaller, less navalised or tankers converted on the cheap with a Heli deck and a hanger? Add fact ! Didn’t the DS get quoted months back concerning converting ferries. Know what you mean Andy but if you get rid of acronyms the comments are going to get a lot, lot longer ! New Zealand has a Korean tanker with an ice hardened hull. The US is having major problems with ships not being maintained and not enough training. I thought it was a joke but then i saw it wasn’t April the first. If they are to carry Special Forces they will have to have defensive armament and countermeasures, plus some casualty treatment facilities. 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